Chapter 1411: I said it is worth 60 billion!

Because the specific matters have not been determined, it is not easy for both parties to discuss the issue of share investment for the time being.
After a few words, Li Dong consulted Li Zexiang about some artificial intelligence problems.
However, Li Zexiang's main direction is in the field of robots. Although he has a good understanding of artificial intelligence, some specific application aspects are not thorough enough.
Li Dong knew something in general, and did not discuss it in depth.
However, Li Zexiang mentioned that robots can replace humans to speed up efficiency and reduce labor costs. I hope Li Dong can consider investing in some.
He now also has his own team, with many students doing robot research and development.
Unfortunately, Li Dong did not agree in the end.
It's not that Li Dong really doesn't like these, but he also has his own considerations.
The investment on the drone is because he can use it immediately, and can increase the overall competitiveness of the remote.
As for robots, there is currently not much need.
Not to mention much investment, there is no real efficiency improvement and cost reduction.
As for competitiveness, there is no added value.
And at present, Li Dong still needs manpower to support him to complete all the foundation construction. Even if the robot can be used far away, he will not necessarily accept it.
Resolving excess human resources is a magic weapon in the world.
Although drones have also replaced manpower, Li Dong only wanted coverage in remote areas. These areas are still blank, but they will not have any other impact.
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Wang Tao and they were the last guests Li Dong met in Shenzhen.
As for the fellow Cheng Ping, Li Dong didn't see it.
Of course, he did not know that the other party was going to come to him. Anyway, after knowing that Wang Wei was coming, Cheng Ping ran away. I did n’t know where to shrink the plan to prepare to impress Li Dong.
On the 18th, after seeing the last guest, Li Dong began to prepare for the return trip.
Bai Su had just packed his forefoot, and Ma Huateng called on his hind foot.
As soon as the phone was connected, Ma Huateng said: "You can talk about the pat."
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22:00.
Hotel cafe.
Ma Huateng looked around, and after a while said: "I thought you would choose a bar."
Li Dong laughed and said, "Is it so unreliable? Noisy, it's still quiet here, you can talk in detail."
"Paipa.com can be sold to distant places, but it's just a platform. We don't have the right to make requests from merchants.
Also, Tencent will not open the traffic entrance! "
Li Dong immediately frowned: "How much value does your pat network have without opening the traffic entrance?"
It ’s just a platform, I want to build it, one or two or three things.
Most of your users choose to pat based on QQ. Without the support of QQ traffic portal, the value of pat is almost zero. "
Ma Huateng calmly said: "I can't provide fire support to competitors. In fact, I know your mind clearly. Whether you are targeting Taobao first or not, QQ is your goal sooner or later.
At this time, I will not open our platform and give you a bigger chance again.
But I did not cut off all possibilities directly. During the pat integration, we will still open the platform entrance to you.
Of course, this is a limited period. Within half a year, you will do a good job in migration.
If you agree, then we can talk. If you don't agree, then there is no need to continue. "
Li Dong hummed: "Half a year? How to integrate half a year?
At least one year!
Within a year, you open the entrance to us, rest assured, I do n’t take advantage of you. On the QQ platform, you only need to open the C2C platform. I will not force you to open the entrance of the remote mall to us.
If there is no one year, it is not necessary to buy Paipai.com or not. "
Ma Huateng pondered for a moment, and finally nodded: "Yes, one year.
Then we can talk in depth about the shares of Yuanfang Mall ... "
Li Dong said with a surprised face: "Do you think too much?
You do n’t open the entrance to the mall to me, and you still want to talk to me about shares?
Why did Tencent Mall introduce Tencent for your entrance.
None of this, why do I introduce you, I can introduce more enterprises, who is more suitable than you!
My little brother, we both understand people. I do n’t treat you like a fool, and do n’t treat me like a fool.
You say for yourself, is it appropriate to talk about this? "
Ma Huateng frowned: "Since there is no such premise, why should I sell Paipai.com?
As you said, can't I find other partners?
Isn't it more suitable than you?
Also, I do n’t have to sell it. "
Li Dong laughed: "So, cooperation still requires sincerity in cooperation.
I will give you shares in the mall, and you will open the entrance to me, so it will not be completed?
To be honest, QQ now has limited competitiveness and limited drainage.
I admit that your users have a high viscosity, and it is still the number one in instant messaging.
However, there are many users who overlap with each other, and there are also many customers who use the two software at the same time.
Your attraction to us lies in the part that does not overlap, and among those parts of users, they will choose online shopping, and even a smaller part.
The online shopping through the QQ portal is a small part of the small part.
Last year, the total performance of your pats was only about 15 billion yuan, which could reach 10% of Taobao, which is lower than the C2C performance of the remote mall.
Even if you are better this year and your performance has increased, can you have 20 billion even if you turn it all into distant performance?
This is a C2C platform, not a B2C self-operated business, is it more than 20 billion?
Only if you also open the entrance to the remote mall, our performance may increase to a certain extent, we have the value of cooperation.
Otherwise, the value of cooperation is limited.
At this time, you are still looking forward to the shares in the Far-Earth Mall, my little brother, it is not me who is attacking you. Instead of this, I might as well acquire the former e-commerce overlord, now Tom eBay. "
Ma Huateng looked at him for a while and then said: "Then there is no need to talk."
Li Dong nodded and said: "It's really not necessary to talk, of course, if you are willing to sell, I am willing to accept, cash transactions.
As for the shares in Faraway Mall, there is no need to talk about it. "
Ma Huateng took a deep breath and asked, "How much are you willing to pay?"
"With the support of the QQ platform, the pat value is 1 billion, no, 500 million is sky-high."
"In your words, Taobao is only worth 5 billion?"
Li Dongning said: "It's all understanding people, it's boring to switch concepts.
Is there a tenfold difference between 150 billion and 15 billion?
This is more than a hundred times the gap!
Do you think the instant messaging software with 3 million users is only a hundred times behind QQ?
I can buy 10 million users of instant messaging software with 3 million users. Do you want to sell me 1 billion on QQ? "
Ma Huateng laughed and said: "This is also true, 500 million is not low, you are not too hard.
The key point is that without the shares in Faraway Mall, selling Paipai.com alone will not help us much.
500 million, Tencent is still available. "
"I can't help it. You just think about yourself, don't consider me?
I will do something that is not good for me.
Close the entrance, thanks to what you think!
In business talk business, although we are rivals, but the mall does not involve your business, why not.
Harmony is both beneficial and helpful to you and me.
Do you think I am bigger in e-commerce, will it affect other directions?
I do n’t think so. In fact, this is also true.
Not to mention, our remote mall access to QQ is of great benefit to you.
In the past, some of our PP users were forced to use PP because of the shopping mall needs.
But once connected to QQ, users found that they can shop without PP.
Some old QQ users will choose to return.
I am damaging the interests of PP, go to the mall, have you considered this?
I originally thought you were right, and I was determined that you would choose to cooperate, because I think you look good in the long run.
This is an intangible increase in the competitiveness of QQ, but weakened the competitiveness of PP.
I found out that you are too narrow! "
Li Dong shook his head and said, "You know that my e-commerce will grow bigger and make more money, but don't you consider anything else?
As far as your eyes are concerned, I served.
QQ doesn't connect to the remote mall, and it also needs to eliminate the Paipai network. The game industry will not work, nor will other businesses. At that time, you really became a simple chat software.
The key is that if you really can only chat, is it not the same as choosing PP?
At least PP can shop, manage money, watch videos, use browsers, and even use maps immediately ...
Since there are other options, why choose QQ?
But once the mall is connected, it will be different.
Regardless of how much competitiveness is increased, at least a large number of online shopping users will not choose to give up QQ, Pony, and think for themselves.
People with short-sightedness are destined not to go far.
In the past few years, you have not recovered from the joy of success, consider the reality. "
Ma Huateng hummed: "So, are you still thinking about me?"
"Isn't it? It's not just for you, and harmony is for both benefits, or this sentence.
In addition, I am sharing, do you understand?
This is my main idea for the future. Share everything about me. You must know that successful entrepreneurs will come to this step.
And I, Li Dong, are now moving in this field.
And you, Ma Huateng, don't understand the psychology of us for the time being, it's a pity, it seems that you are still far away from me. "
Ma Hua hurriedly smiled and said: "I am not far away from you, at least in the face, I am really inferior to you!"
That being said, Ma Huateng began to hesitate again.
Although Li Dong has a flickering element in it, he has to say that maybe things are really the same as what he said.
If you give up e-commerce, will you lose some users again?
This possibility still exists, and it is great!
On the contrary, the introduction of distant malls, some online shopping users, most of them are actually QQ users, it is not impossible to choose to return.
However, Ma Huateng still asked: "If the remote mall is introduced, can QQ users make their accounts universal?
I am not just referring to the part of the QQ platform, including the entire distant mall system!
In addition, if you really want to cooperate, the entire remote mall must introduce TenPay. Of course, I have never thought of replacing Wanwan completely, which will give users one more choice to increase your competitiveness.
Tenpay has many users. In the past, many customers chose to abandon online shopping because of different payment systems.
Now that Tenpay is introduced, you will inevitably add some users. "
Li Dong raised his eyebrows and said: "I said, you really asked a lot.
You know what the payment system means for online shopping platforms!
Introducing Tenpay, you dare to think, this is a user who distributes all cartoons, do you think I will agree?
And the payment system involves the core data of the mall. Even if you do n’t do e-commerce, can I give you these data?
Even Suning, their Yifubaocai customers, are still reluctant to introduce Alipay and Wanhuatong, and would rather have less business. Why?
They all understand people, you dare to mention such things ... "
Ma Huateng was a bit spoofed. In fact, he also knew that this requirement was excessive.
But he was not reconciled and directly introduced into the distant mall.
Without the introduction, you can't get the shares of Yuanfang Mall, and everything is back to the original point.
However, Tencent is ready to abandon e-commerce, play lightly, and fully overcome the mobile terminal.
Do you really want to choose 500 million to sell pat, do a one-time sale?
While he was pondering what to do, Li Dong said with a sudden smile: "But since you mentioned it, then Li Dong is not the kind of person who cares about the sky!
My philosophy is to share, not to mention Tenpay, if Ma Yun agrees, how about introducing Alipay!
I Li Dong is not afraid of these!
It ’s our customer, it ’s impossible to run, just want to bind users with a payment software, it ’s impossible!
This is a performance without confidence. Wanhuan now has the second largest PC market share, the first mobile market share, and the absolute first!
We have the payment methods that are ahead of the world, and have the courage to continue to develop, so that others can not surpass, that is what we should do.
Introducing Tenpay, yes, I agreed.
As long as you are responsible for the user's funds, for the safety of their property, and for the merchant's payment, how about some of the data under your control.
I do n’t care what Li Dong cares about, Ma Huateng, do you think I will worry about this?
Since you refused to enter the QQ platform from a distant mall, I will no longer treat you as an opponent.
You are scared and cowardly, even the courage of a fight is gone.
In the future, you will only be the object of my business cooperation, and no longer be the target of my pursuit. It is enough to talk about cooperation, and nothing else. "
As soon as these words came out, Ma Huateng did not refute or mock him as usual.
His face changed for a while, and Ma Huateng slowly said: "Yes, I am cowardly and afraid.
I don't need you to think of me as a goal to surpass, all I do is myself.
I think I should do this, and I will choose to do so.
If you say this, I believe in three points, and the rest will not.
The more I say this, the more certain I am that my choice is correct.
Since you have Li Dong atmosphere, there is a lot of belly, then I do not refuse, Tenpay access to the remote mall.
If you are a little more open and willing to allow Tenpay to connect to Weibo and PP, then I will admit that you Li Dong has the courage and irresistible courage to subdue Ma Huateng's courage! "
"puff!"
Li Dong sprayed him directly, Ma De, really shameless!
This guy said he has a thick skin, but he is not as thick as he is!
Did I mention letting Wancard connect to QQ?
I dare not say this, you Ma Huateng actually said that, even with such a shame, dare to say me?
As for Tenpay's access to the remote mall, Li Dong is not too worried.
Tenpay's competitiveness is not as strong as Alipay. Their customers are inherent customers, who have used Wanhuatong. Li Dong believes that they will not choose Tenpay.
Just like Taobao, if future generations of Taobao access Tenpay, will a large number of users choose to abandon Alipay and choose Tenpay?
That is impossible!
Maybe it's normal for Tenpay users to become Ten Thousand Card users under the hood.
As long as the default payment method is not TenPay, there is not much harm to the distant place.
Li Dong didn't care too much about business data.
As long as there is no problem with the funds, the current data will soon become shared data.
With the advent of the era of big data, many secrets are no longer secrets, and many privacys are no longer privacy.
Since Ma Huateng had to find a psychological comfort for himself, Li Dongcheng was all right.
Li Dong thought about it, but Ma Huateng across the face turned blue, holding a napkin, and wiped his face.
Li Dongqian smiled and said, "Sorry, I really can't hold back.
You also know how much impact your words just caused me to make a difference to you.
Just to say this to you, you are still my goal to catch up, I found that my skin is not thick enough, really, I realized my own shortcomings.
Brother Ma, you are a brother, and I continue to learn from you.
When I don't call you my little brother one day, I will be able to learn your essence. "
"Get out!"
Ma Huateng didn't have a good air: "You come here less. Since you are willing to connect TenPay to the remote mall, we can continue to talk!
By the way, the question of account common ... "
"Nonsense, Tenpay is connected to you, I still care about this?"
Li Dong smiled and said: "Seriously, I don't care too much about this. Competitiveness is not that it can be improved by small means.
You mean that now PP and QQ accounts can be used universally, I have no opinion.
Let's integrate it, which is very helpful to users and more convenient.
How about, think about it? "
Ma Huateng said bluntly: "Don't think too much! Most of your users are our old users, I don't need to integrate with you."
"stingy."
Li Dong scorned and drank his coffee and said, "Don't talk nonsense, I will agree to your condition without thinking about it. Then you should stop nonsense on the conditions I put forward. You know my efficiency.
Paipai.com was acquired by us wholly-owned, Yuanfang Mall is connected to QQ, Tenpay passes into Yuanfang Mall, and QQ users can log in directly to Yuanfang Mall.
Of course, QQ users log in and need to share data. You will think about it after you think about it.
This is the premise of the cooperation. In addition, I will give you 10% of the shares of the remote mall, and the Paipai.com plus 5 billion cash.
As for whether there are more, you should be clear.
Of course, this is a sale, not a financing, so 5 billion in cash is mine, it has nothing to do with you.
In addition, in the follow-up, we will vigorously develop C2C malls, and distant places will increase investment.
If you do n’t want the shares to be diluted, then continue to increase the capital, otherwise we will slowly dilute your shares. I should understand this without saying that. "
Ma Huateng narrowed his eyebrows: "That is to say, your valuation of Faraway Mall this time exceeds 60 billion!"
Li Dongtan smiled and said, "What's the matter with an estimated pat of 60 billion? It's not even 9 billion dollars, is it worth your fuss?"
Ma Huateng gritted his teeth and said, "9 billion dollars!
Li Dong, the industry wants to say who is the most exaggerated, no one dares to admit your second!
A distant mall is almost half of Tencent, and half of Baidu ... you just grab it!
If you add something else, logistics or million cards, I can accept it.
Your single electronic mall, dare to ask me to pat a network and 5 billion cash, you have not been so fast to rob banks! "
Li Dong raised an eyebrow and said, "Why am I robbing a bank? How can a bank have a capital institution to make money quickly.
What is the matter, I now choose to sell the equity, but this is the most original equity, 10% without adulteration, you are the first.
5 billion cash, really? "
"You don't talk to me less, it's impossible for 5 billion!"
Ma Huateng was anxious, what is the lion's big mouth, this is it!
The scale of the current online shopping market is not large, and the transaction volume of the electronic mall last year was only more than 100 billion. Li Dong gave a valuation of 60 billion, which is too high!
He felt high, but Li Dong did not take it seriously.
You know, the B2C business of Yuanfang Mall has exceeded 100 billion!
Note that B2C is not C2C, but B2C is a self-operated business, which is profitable and not as simple as a single platform.
Not to mention anything else. Compared with the previous generation of JD.com, JD.com didn't break through the 100 billion mark until 13 years ago. What time is it!
The explosive period of mobile Internet!
Five years in advance, just before the arrival of the mobile Internet, it reached the level of Jingdong five years after the previous life. This is not a concept.
The value of Jingdong in 13 years is at most equivalent to one-third of the distance in the distance.
That is still in the case of an online shopping market, a brother Taobao, the distance is now the first online shopping market!
In view of the current market environment restrictions, Li Dong made a half-fold, saying 60 billion yuan, or what if he called 100 billion yuan.
Of course, Li Dong subconsciously ignored that Jingdong included logistics, but he did not.
But even if there is no logistics, Li Dong feels that after the acquisition of Paipai, coupled with the full effort to enter the C2C field, 60 billion yuan is worth it.
Seeing his expression, Ma Huateng said for a long time: "I'll go back and think about it ~ EbookFREE.me ~ In addition, there are too many 5 billion plus Paipai.com.
Specifically, we can continue to talk later.
You do n’t have to open your mouth, it ’s pointless.
Once you are defeated by Taobao in the C2C field, the value is greatly reduced, and don't substitute future expectations into the present.
If this is the case, Internet companies don't even want to raise money.
Who is not confident in his future, you expect 10 billion, he expects 100 billion, the key is that someone is willing to accept it? "
Li Dong said with a full face: "If others accept me, I don't care. I said that the remote mall is worth 60 billion yuan. Believe it or not, some people are rushing to send me money!"
In this regard, Ma Huateng was speechless.
In this world, the strong one is so simple.
As the number one in the e-commerce field, especially the number one B2C platform, Li Dong said 60 billion yuan, and someone must accept this.
The key is that he Ma Huateng does not want to accept it!
Taking a deep breath, Ma Hua rose up and said: "Let's go back and discuss in detail. Tencent is not my own, including the previous conditions, and it is currently spoken.
We will discuss it in more detail when we discuss it here. "
Li Dong said with a smile: "Yes, but hurry up. There are too many things on my side, but not as busy as you."
"我 @ #% ￥ ......"
Ma Huateng murmured a few words, but Li Dong didn't hear clearly.
But anyway, it's not a good word, of course, he is used to it.
I was too lazy to ask Brother Ma what he said. Li Dong looked at the time and said, "I have to rest. I have to return to Pingchuan tomorrow, so I won't send you.
But before the end of February, I must give me an accurate answer, I can only wait until this time. "
Ma Huateng condensed in his heart, nodded and did not speak again, got up and walked away.
PS: I forgot to write, 6300 words, just send it like this ...